PermaCulture Dialogue

(>> if you don't see a menu to the right, plse click black arrow < top right)

 

This site was born on the 7th of January 2008, in order to fill in the increasingly important gaps in permaculture design knowledge and skills observed during the last decade.  It's reason and focus is to increase our collective intelligence. (Why?)

 

And to approach it from a design perspective (How).   For eg. ...

Every permaculture designer should know this diagram well because it is VERY fundamental: it basically says that any good Permaculture DESIGN is (defined as) the beneficial association of all types of components:

 

1) Site components (physical landscape stuff like water, soil, climate, plants, animals, etc.)

2) Energy components (including technologies to store and transform energies, structures, etc.)

3) Social components (people, culture, legal, commercial and financial stuff)

4) Abstract components (eg. time, data, ethics..)

 

In terms of design ability and progression, it can easily be observed that people start off integrating quite well the type 1) and 2) (physical) components, but getting to really include (at a more than token level) also the type 3) and 4) (ethereal) components is much harder, and infact very few designers seem to get there.   This is not suprising as it's exactly where humanity is right now, in general (see Why), but it does cause some interesting problems in that it drives a few positive feedback loops, to our detriment.

 

 

 

 

 

As well as the selection of articles you can browse in the menu (below right), here are some places where we have found treasures that would be of interest to permaculture designers...   The Yayasan IDEP Foundation > Permaculture Curriculum, chapters of the books in pdfs, excellent resource (in english and indonesian!     The first ever PC distance- learning course?         Earth Action Mentor     Agricultural Innovations podcasts   Ted talks on the web   Do Lectures     Monkey See   Technology section of the World Digital Library   Academic Earth        An online PC book in spanish

A Chaordic Permaculture Institute Project     Menu of this page Welcome to PD Joining our Thinking ... Evolving Articles Where we Meet Edit this Wiki Links about Dialogue       Lots of Resources on UTube: PermaScience  PermacultureCoop  StephengBooks  PeakMoment  RyanIsHungry  Transitionus   E-Books and Free Books      Yale courses free with iTunes   Low Tech Magazine     Practical Action   and Practical Answers, technical information online a great library of technical info!

 

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Welcome to PD

... Permaculture Dialogue, Paradigm Dancing, Passionate Diatropism* ...

*Diatropism –noun Botany. The tendency of certain plants or their parts to arrange themselves at right angles to a stimulus.  

 

"People who manage to intervene in systems at the level of paradigm

hit a leverage point that totally transforms systems."

(from Art2, Intervening in Systems by Dana Meadows

- the Founding Mother of Permaculture?)

 

this wiki started in january 2008, whilst pondering this question:

Permaculture has - so far - not managed to change the current dominant paradigm.

Could it be because we are applying permaculture within the old paradigms, ourselves? 

 

Joining our Thinking ... Evolving

 

"Dialogue is people truly listening to people truly speaking."

Harrison Owen

 

When we all truly speak and truly listen, we can't help but generate

greater shared understanding.

 

The late quantum physicist David Bohm observed that both quantum mechanics

and mystical traditions suggest that our beliefs shape the realities we evoke.

 

He further postulated that thought is largely a collective phenomenon,

made possible only through culture and communication.

 

Human conversations arise out of and influence

an ocean of cultural and transpersonal meanings

in which we live our lives, and this process he called dialogue.

 

Most conversations, of course, lack the fluid, deeply connected quality

suggested by this oceanic metaphor.

They are more like ping-pong games, with participants hitting their

very solid ideas and well-defended positions back and forth.

Such conversations are properly called discussions.

"Discussion," Bohm noted, derives from the same root word as

"percussion" and "concussion," a root that connotes striking, shaking and hitting.

 

Dialogue, in contrast, involves joining our thinking and feeling into a

shared pool of meaning which continually flows and evolves

, carrying us all into new, deeper levels of understanding

none of us could have foreseen.

 

Through dialogue "a new kind of mind begins to come into being,"

observed Bohm, "based on the development of common meaning...

People are no longer primarily in opposition,

nor can they be said to be interacting,

rather they are participating in this pool of common meaning,

 

 

Conversation is thinking in its natural state.

Thinking is the conversation within us....

Words began in human beings in the process

of transforming gregariousness into co-operation.

Malvina Reynolds

 

Not all communication is dialogue.

Dialogue is shared exploration towards

greater understanding, connection, or possibility.

 

 

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Articles

 

This started in order to have one easy place where to put all the significant articles that are coming up in some passionate PC dialogues.

 

See list in the menu > > >

 

Many of these articles already exist on the web, but they are all over the place and links have a maddening tendency to break, treasures can be lost forever by web re-designs of others, so they are copied here both for ease of access and 'treasure-copying'.

 

They are such important articles that having various copies on the web is fine, as this will maximise access to an important resource, and credit with link to original site will always be given.

 

PLEASE DO add or propose to add any articles or resources you think should be included. (see below, "Edit this wiki")

 

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Where we Meet

 

(please add to this list ... wherever you´ve witnessed Passionate Dialogue happening in our PC community

.. put it here if we're all invited to join too)

 

The International Permaculture mailing list

Permaculture@openpermaculture.org

http://openpermaculture.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture_openpermaculture.org

 

 

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Edit this Wiki

 

Take ownership!

 

This is a collective resource for the international PC network (english speaking parts), designed to be self-regulating and self-managing,

 

with the SOLE AIM of facilitating 'oceanic dialogue' in our permaculture community

 

Any permie can add (or propose to add) an article they consider very important, a link or add any other wiki page here, which is coherent with the spirit of Passionate PC Dialogue.

 

Asthere are no slaves volunteering*, the only rule is that if you want it to get some resource to show up in here, you do it yourself (it´s easy!)

 

*(Proposals welcome but don´t expect them to be acted upon - will only do so if there is interest, time, etc.)

 

For basic anti-spam security the password will be given individually, but to any permaculture designers who wants it -

 

please just say hi and who you are:

 

http://passionatedialogue.pbwiki.com/contact.php

 

I'll send u the password and give you support in editing this wiki if you need it

 

Stella (initial & very temporary gate-keeper)

 

 

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Links about Dialogue

 

http://www.co-intelligence.org/P-dialogue.html

 

http://www.theworldcafe.com/principles.htm

 

http://www.artofhosting.org/home/

 

 

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Welcome to PD Joining our Thinking ... Evolving Articles Where we Meet Edit this Wiki Links about Dialogue